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mick
2018-07-17 16:23:23 UTC
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Now to get me 'ed 'round this scoring malarky
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mick
Indy Jess John
2018-07-17 21:42:00 UTC
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Post by mick
Now to get me 'ed 'round this scoring malarky
It works OK on the defaults without worrying about scoring.

Jim
mick
2018-07-17 23:36:17 UTC
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Post by Indy Jess John
Post by mick
Now to get me 'ed 'round this scoring malarky
It works OK on the defaults without worrying about scoring.
Jim
Just wondering if there is a way to colour mark a thread that I have
replied in and/or a post I have made.

For example; in MesNews (windows 10) when retrieving articles, in the
group pane the subscribed news group name is highlighted green if there
is a reply directly to my post. If there is a reply not directly to me
but to the thread that I have posted to the news group colour is blue.
In the header pane the thread is flagged and my posts are coloured
blue.
I can set whatever colours I like. MesNews shows those highlighted
posts even when they have been posted by me from Pan.
It would be nice to be able to do that in Pan when I download articles.
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mick
Indy Jess John
2018-07-18 07:11:11 UTC
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Post by mick
Post by Indy Jess John
Post by mick
Now to get me 'ed 'round this scoring malarky
It works OK on the defaults without worrying about scoring.
Jim
Just wondering if there is a way to colour mark a thread that I have
replied in and/or a post I have made.
For example; in MesNews (windows 10) when retrieving articles, in the
group pane the subscribed news group name is highlighted green if there
is a reply directly to my post. If there is a reply not directly to me
but to the thread that I have posted to the news group colour is blue.
In the header pane the thread is flagged and my posts are coloured
blue.
I can set whatever colours I like. MesNews shows those highlighted
posts even when they have been posted by me from Pan.
It would be nice to be able to do that in Pan when I download articles.
OK. I see you might have a genuine reason for wanting to explore scoring.

I can't help you there - it isn't something I need to use. I hope you
are successful.

Jim
mick
2018-07-18 12:21:02 UTC
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Post by Indy Jess John
Post by mick
Post by Indy Jess John
Post by mick
Now to get me 'ed 'round this scoring malarky
It works OK on the defaults without worrying about scoring.
Jim
Just wondering if there is a way to colour mark a thread that I have
replied in and/or a post I have made.
For example; in MesNews (windows 10) when retrieving articles, in the
group pane the subscribed news group name is highlighted green if there
is a reply directly to my post. If there is a reply not directly to me
but to the thread that I have posted to the news group colour is blue.
In the header pane the thread is flagged and my posts are coloured
blue.
I can set whatever colours I like. MesNews shows those highlighted
posts even when they have been posted by me from Pan.
It would be nice to be able to do that in Pan when I download articles.
OK. I see you might have a genuine reason for wanting to explore scoring.
I can't help you there - it isn't something I need to use. I hope you are
successful.
Jim
Using the buttons on the menu bar like show my posts is a start so I
will explore later and see what else I can come up with.
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mick
DaveG
2018-07-18 09:44:37 UTC
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Post by mick
Post by Indy Jess John
Post by mick
Now to get me 'ed 'round this scoring malarky
It works OK on the defaults without worrying about scoring.
Jim
Just wondering if there is a way to colour mark a thread that I have
replied in and/or a post I have made.
For example; in MesNews (windows 10) when retrieving articles, in the
group pane the subscribed news group name is highlighted green if there
is a reply directly to my post. If there is a reply not directly to me
but to the thread that I have posted to the news group colour is blue.
In the header pane the thread is flagged and my posts are coloured
blue.
I can set whatever colours I like. MesNews shows those highlighted
posts even when they have been posted by me from Pan.
It would be nice to be able to do that in Pan when I download articles.
I've done it before in Pan but I can't find the old Score file
to see what I did. I should add that I don't think there's
any way to change the group pane colours on the fly to indicate
user defined change responses.

Anyway, back to scoring the header pane. You may need to define,
in the Pan menus, the colours for each range of scores. Next you
need to score a value for posts made by you and for posts replying
to you. I think I used a custom Message ID rather than the
default Pan assigned one and set the scoring system to add 1000
when it found it, likewise add 1000 when I posted then set colours
for the scores 0-999, 1000-1999, 2000-2999. IIRC it's the Message
ID, References and maybe XRef headers you want to concentrate on.

I also seem to recall that method broke when news servers started
started obfuscating the posting domain and reply chains for
anonymity.

Pans scoring systems is quite powerful and you can hand optimise
it if you find you are using it a lot with many rules. You can
often manually combine rules, and you almost certainly want to
arrange them in to sections etc.

Have a look at http://www.slrn.org/docs/score.html for how the
score file can be manually edited, which you will almost
certainly need to to do (that link is for SLRN and some of
the options there may not work in man but that is the source
of the Pan scoring system.
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ad astra tabernamque
mick
2018-07-18 12:31:37 UTC
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Post by DaveG
Post by mick
Post by Indy Jess John
Post by mick
Now to get me 'ed 'round this scoring malarky
It works OK on the defaults without worrying about scoring.
Jim
Just wondering if there is a way to colour mark a thread that I have
replied in and/or a post I have made.
For example; in MesNews (windows 10) when retrieving articles, in the
group pane the subscribed news group name is highlighted green if there
is a reply directly to my post. If there is a reply not directly to me
but to the thread that I have posted to the news group colour is blue.
In the header pane the thread is flagged and my posts are coloured
blue.
I can set whatever colours I like. MesNews shows those highlighted
posts even when they have been posted by me from Pan.
It would be nice to be able to do that in Pan when I download articles.
I've done it before in Pan but I can't find the old Score file
to see what I did. I should add that I don't think there's
any way to change the group pane colours on the fly to indicate
user defined change responses.
Anyway, back to scoring the header pane. You may need to define,
in the Pan menus, the colours for each range of scores. Next you
need to score a value for posts made by you and for posts replying
to you. I think I used a custom Message ID rather than the
default Pan assigned one and set the scoring system to add 1000
when it found it, likewise add 1000 when I posted then set colours
for the scores 0-999, 1000-1999, 2000-2999. IIRC it's the Message
ID, References and maybe XRef headers you want to concentrate on.
I also seem to recall that method broke when news servers started
started obfuscating the posting domain and reply chains for
anonymity.
Pans scoring systems is quite powerful and you can hand optimise
it if you find you are using it a lot with many rules. You can
often manually combine rules, and you almost certainly want to
arrange them in to sections etc.
Have a look at http://www.slrn.org/docs/score.html for how the
score file can be manually edited, which you will almost
certainly need to to do (that link is for SLRN and some of
the options there may not work in man but that is the source
of the Pan scoring system.
Thanks for the link.
I did get a scoring rule set where it marks any posts I send to any
group. They are then marked in the score column in the header pane.

MesNews screen grab posted to f.v. binaries.test shows what I am
looking for in Pan.
--
mick
DaveG
2018-07-18 14:33:07 UTC
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Post by mick
Post by DaveG
Post by mick
Post by Indy Jess John
Post by mick
Now to get me 'ed 'round this scoring malarky
It works OK on the defaults without worrying about scoring.
Jim
Just wondering if there is a way to colour mark a thread that I have
replied in and/or a post I have made.
For example; in MesNews (windows 10) when retrieving articles, in the
group pane the subscribed news group name is highlighted green if there
is a reply directly to my post. If there is a reply not directly to me
but to the thread that I have posted to the news group colour is blue.
In the header pane the thread is flagged and my posts are coloured
blue.
I can set whatever colours I like. MesNews shows those highlighted
posts even when they have been posted by me from Pan.
It would be nice to be able to do that in Pan when I download articles.
I've done it before in Pan but I can't find the old Score file
to see what I did. I should add that I don't think there's
any way to change the group pane colours on the fly to indicate
user defined change responses.
Anyway, back to scoring the header pane. You may need to define,
in the Pan menus, the colours for each range of scores. Next you
need to score a value for posts made by you and for posts replying
to you. I think I used a custom Message ID rather than the
default Pan assigned one and set the scoring system to add 1000
when it found it, likewise add 1000 when I posted then set colours
for the scores 0-999, 1000-1999, 2000-2999. IIRC it's the Message
ID, References and maybe XRef headers you want to concentrate on.
I also seem to recall that method broke when news servers started
started obfuscating the posting domain and reply chains for
anonymity.
Pans scoring systems is quite powerful and you can hand optimise
it if you find you are using it a lot with many rules. You can
often manually combine rules, and you almost certainly want to
arrange them in to sections etc.
Have a look at http://www.slrn.org/docs/score.html for how the
score file can be manually edited, which you will almost
certainly need to to do (that link is for SLRN and some of
the options there may not work in man but that is the source
of the Pan scoring system.
Thanks for the link.
I did get a scoring rule set where it marks any posts I send to any
group. They are then marked in the score column in the header pane.
MesNews screen grab posted to f.v. binaries.test shows what I am
looking for in Pan.
Apart from highlighting the group pane, all of that looks
do-able, if in different ways.
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ad astra tabernamque
mick
2018-07-18 20:51:37 UTC
Permalink
Post by DaveG
Post by mick
Post by DaveG
Post by mick
Post by Indy Jess John
Post by mick
Now to get me 'ed 'round this scoring malarky
It works OK on the defaults without worrying about scoring.
Jim
Just wondering if there is a way to colour mark a thread that I have
replied in and/or a post I have made.
For example; in MesNews (windows 10) when retrieving articles, in the
group pane the subscribed news group name is highlighted green if there
is a reply directly to my post. If there is a reply not directly to me
but to the thread that I have posted to the news group colour is blue.
In the header pane the thread is flagged and my posts are coloured
blue.
I can set whatever colours I like. MesNews shows those highlighted
posts even when they have been posted by me from Pan.
It would be nice to be able to do that in Pan when I download articles.
I've done it before in Pan but I can't find the old Score file
to see what I did. I should add that I don't think there's
any way to change the group pane colours on the fly to indicate
user defined change responses.
Anyway, back to scoring the header pane. You may need to define,
in the Pan menus, the colours for each range of scores. Next you
need to score a value for posts made by you and for posts replying
to you. I think I used a custom Message ID rather than the
default Pan assigned one and set the scoring system to add 1000
when it found it, likewise add 1000 when I posted then set colours
for the scores 0-999, 1000-1999, 2000-2999. IIRC it's the Message
ID, References and maybe XRef headers you want to concentrate on.
I also seem to recall that method broke when news servers started
started obfuscating the posting domain and reply chains for
anonymity.
Pans scoring systems is quite powerful and you can hand optimise
it if you find you are using it a lot with many rules. You can
often manually combine rules, and you almost certainly want to
arrange them in to sections etc.
Have a look at http://www.slrn.org/docs/score.html for how the
score file can be manually edited, which you will almost
certainly need to to do (that link is for SLRN and some of
the options there may not work in man but that is the source
of the Pan scoring system.
Thanks for the link.
I did get a scoring rule set where it marks any posts I send to any
group. They are then marked in the score column in the header pane.
MesNews screen grab posted to f.v. binaries.test shows what I am
looking for in Pan.
Apart from highlighting the group pane, all of that looks
do-able, if in different ways.
That's good, something to do when the weather gets cooler, it's been
too hot sitting in front of the computer recently for any length of
time.
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mick
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